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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan_ View Post
    How do you like the 9000's? Thinking about a new double pedal, and debating getting a Demon Drive, or Trick (which would involve saving some money up), or a 9000 series DW. I've played the Demon Drive and Trick, but have only played a 9000 single. How's the slave pedal action?

    All this is due to an old friend of mine who is an incredible metal/shred guitar player voicing interest in getting back together and playing after 'all these years'. He already has an album's worth of material, and we jammed a bit of it last week with sequencer bass filling in for the human we hope to get. My double bass chops are WEAK. They need to be back @ STRONG!

    The plan is to put a double pedal on the 'main' rh bass drum, then have the left bass drum set up with a single.
    Hi Alan, let me first off say that I am not a hard core double bass drum player. A number of years ago I began to notice that some drummers were starting to play things with their feet that were almost on par with hand technique. I became interested in seeing what I could accomplish with two feet so I attended multiple Thomas Lang boot camps to see how it was done. I can tell you first hand that Lang can do anything with his feet (singles, doubles, paradiddles, flams, etc.) that he can do with his hands except perhaps play a buzz roll. He was using dw9000 pedals, playing both heel up and heel down so I have seen what is possible with the feet using this particle brand of hardware. I think he has the most accomplished feet on the planet as demonstrated by the interesting patterns he can play, his multi-pedal orchestration and the overall control and dynamics he has with double bass. I studied and practiced his techniques, not to sound like him but so I could begin to express rhythm on the lower line in more interesting ways. I found the challenge to be a lot of fun - especially trying to tastefully work some of it is into playing music without the usual boring dugga dugga sound.

    I don't have any experience with Demon Drive or Trick pedals so I can't offer an opinion. I grew up with the Gretsch floating action pedals so it was natural to replace them with dw9000s when I bought new pedals. There are many factors that go into how a pedal performs and the dw9000s have an amazing amount of adjustability. It took me a while to get them dialed in (spring tension, infinitely adjustable cam, beater choice, shaft angle and weight, etc.) but I am very happy with their overall performance action. I have read that some guys who have the dw9000 double pedal get rid of the stock drive shaft and replace it with the more superior trick drive shaft.

    All that said I don't think that the slave from any brand of double pedal will behave exactly like a main pedal. The video below demonstrates why that is the case and how to set up the drive shaft of any double pedal for the best performance. I sent this video to Terry Bozzio and he said it helped him get a better action on all the pedals he uses that have long linkages.

    "You play because you must" - TW

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    16" trans stamp hats (light top/heavy bottom with 4 rivets)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poetman View Post
    Brian Blade Bird's Eye

    What hats he use and is the a G floating action bd pedal?
    Sizzle swings....

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    Setups from 2 gigs over the weekend. First was an organ trio:
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    Quote Originally Posted by conTraption View Post

    I don't have any experience with Demon Drive or Trick pedals so I can't offer an opinion.

    All that said I don't think that the slave from any brand of double pedal will behave exactly like a main pedal.
    fwiw I had a Demon double setup and currently have an Axis double setup - the Demons were faster and easier to adjust imo - also they are reversible for left or right handed.

    Originally I wanted DW9000 doubles, but they didn't make lefty versions back then so I went with Demons.

    Sleishman doubles are identical for left and right but they're cnain drive and are a bit unusual - I tried them for a while but they didn't suit my ankles - oww my poor achilles.....

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    That's a good point (Demon Drives being reversible). For what I'm looking to do (put bass drums in varying places, use either left or right bass drum as primary, etc), that fact might be the deal-maker.

    Plus...I adore my single. Maybe I'll just think slightly less adventurously for the time being, get another single for the left bass drum, and call it a day for now. I have an Iron Cobra double and a 5000 double where the primary pedal is completely trashed but the slave works just fine. Use those for 'remote bass drums'.

    Trying to decide which bd I want to buy another of to have two matching. Thinking 20" or 22" would be good for fast metal double bass. Plus, lugging around two 24" drums doesn't sound like fun.
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    I can't get as fast action using a 24" BD.... 22" probably feels about the best for speed but only a tad better than a 20"

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    Quote Originally Posted by K_50 View Post
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    That's my old ride!! That's a great one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rallaei View Post
    That's my old ride!! That's a great one!
    Oh really? I didn't know that. But yeah, it's one of the goodies! Probably the best 22" I've had.
    It's super responsive, has a great crash, and a nice ping for its light weight (2450-ish grams) in by the bell. So with a pair of "crashable" hihats I can cover a lot of ground with a light cymbal bag, which is nice when your primary means of transportation is a bicycle.

    Do you still have the 23" Agop matt chamberlain ride I sold you a few years ago? (at least I think it was you)

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    Fun swing dance gig last night. Avedis Zildjians always sound so right in the music.


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