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logdrum
December 29th, 2005, 08:34 AM
I am no expert and I guess self taught in brushes. I am doing it a lot because of neccesity. With a day job and a demanding family and school -- I don't have time so I practice early in the morning or late at night and I have to be quite

Regal tip -- rubber handle -- the standard --- that's what you should use. I have Zildjian, VF (purple and white) --- promark -- I gave them all away except for the purple VF and the Regal -- I am sure there are others. I also like the Vater Poly Flex -- wood handles and nylon brushes -- darker than the steel brushes and very very good bounce. I slipped a rubber tubing (not a condom ok) so that the metal ferules are covered and you can do rim bounces with it.

I like that Philly Jones book not published anymore but Luvmyleedy scanned the photos-- but Jon Hazilla's book Mastering the Art of Brushes (berkley publications) has an accompanying CD and he uses a lot of the Philly Jones concepts and explains it much farther.

What works for me:

Trad grip -- you probably would like to learn how -- also fingers closer to the brushes (2 inches) -- awkward at first but you develop more control. RH semi-french grip thumbs up -- really helps.

Rusty inside rims -- no good - clean it or get a new hoop
Play the tips even though it sounds thin -- up front and recorded you may actually sound good -- well fat and dark. In the beginning - I put in more brush because I want a fatter sound -- my taps and coloring strokes cannot be distinguished
Hi -hat top -- lower it so the cymbals are just a bit open like 1/4 inch. Use for support.
Sometimes --- the BD feathering quarters gets tiring or boring. I feather with my LF heel -- yes. Especially if you have a wood floor and rubber soles. -- different sound -- syncopated just beause of the rocking motion -- you can still chip and splash on the hats.


My favorite patterns.

The Heart -- for slow tunes -- Luv said 12/8 40 bpm -- swung in the slow job thread by formalist -- do the heart (each hand draws a half of a valentine's card heart (not an anatomical illustration) .. start from the top and meet at the apex - lift start over)
Shoulder stroke/Wiperblade -- LH -- Circle 1 round/quarter) - RH just like a wiper blade (1 arc per quarter) -- the hard part is that the LH goes twice the speed of the RH --
Eyes -- two small circles drawn by each hand -- medium fast patterns -- when you are tired but have to keep going. This is Philly Joe's term. There is also a variation with larger circles but staggered. If you don't pay attention you'll clash the brushes.
Half Circles -- RH and LH opposite direction -- tap on 2/4 can flam or be syncopated
Standard -- LH stir the soup -- RH -- tap tap.
Philly Joe's -- LH -- stir the soup -- RH -- back and forth -- tap each end. When done correctly (I have few lucid seconds) really swings.
Elvin's left hand lead. -- RH -- diagonal back and forth -- LH tap tap but spang-a-lang.
The edge-- LH -Brush handle on the rim brushes on the drum -- don't lift ever. Use light twisting and scrapping motion. RH tap tap - sweep.
Guiro Philly. just like the philly but the RH goes up and down and lift instead of tap. LH stir is broken a third of the circle by lifting the brush off. Practice slow. It makes sense for fast tempos - the lifting off creates an empty feeling when going slow.

When I am riding -- I either keep stirring the soup, comp as if a stick or do the edge. When stirring - color by putting more brush or snapping with the wrist. The hardest part is the cymbals dynamics. If you crash using the rubber handles -- it could be out of place or too loud. Splashing the hats makes more sense. I also practice double strokes and single strokes with brushes. Translates well when you are using real sticks.

That's what I have -- there are tons more to learn. It is really gratifying for me. Also all you need is snare and hat's really.

EXPERTS -- please correct (I don't have the books to cheat on and I am sure I have developed bad habits). Add your favorite brush-isms!

bdbop
December 29th, 2005, 09:01 AM
:appl: :appl: :appl: :appl: :appl:

JayCam
December 29th, 2005, 09:22 AM
Cool post. I have a lot to learn with brushed and it could be good to start learning these patterns you mentioned!

Thanks,

J.

bakel
December 29th, 2005, 09:33 AM
Here's a link to Clayton Cameron's site. This page contains some brush rudiments with video demonstration and notation:

http://www.claytoncameron.com/videobrushrudiments/index.html

Gotta love me some Sliddlesweep taps followed by alittle Parafiddle.

TPC
December 29th, 2005, 09:37 AM
thanks logdrum. do some soundfiles and you have a full-fledged brush treatise. i, for one am going to work on these.

another great one, taught to me by louis ferkovics, is a brush samba which i will try to describe:

right hand just plays the samba near the rim (so it rings out).

the left hand sweeps back and forth on quarter notes, with a tap on the 3rd 1/16th note of each beat (if we have "1- e - and - a - 2 - e - and - a", etc., the sweep covers the "1 - e - and -", and the lift and tap on the "a"). clear as mud, right?

it's great when the left hand lifts up to tap, the right hand pattern rings, then is muffled again.

logdrum
December 29th, 2005, 09:49 AM
Here's a link to Clayton Cameron's site. This page contains some brush rudiments with video demonstration and notation:

http://www.claytoncameron.com/videobrushrudiments/index.html

Gotta love me some Sliddlesweep taps followed by alittle Parafiddle.

This guy is on another level. Maybe 10 years from now I can attempt to do his stuff. For now just stirring for me. Funk with brushes. Cameron's the guy!

And yes samba patterns with brushes. I don't know how to get started? But it really is a blast to hear good recordings. Airto Moriera is actually a good brush guy.

VinnyRac
December 29th, 2005, 04:02 PM
My variations and discoveries:

Left Hand Circle, counterclockwise: Try it for a change. Tap the jazz ride on the right side of the drum without crossing over. (Greg Hutcherson talked about playing counterclockwise L.H. this in his MD interview a few years back)

Left Hand Grip: Try it w/ back of hand facing up toward the ceiling and the tips of the brushes at a 45 degree angle. Your hand is loose and open and very, very relaxed. Sweep into the drum. Billy Higgins played this way. Check out some video of him doing this.

Legatto v. Staccato: When tapping w/ the r.h. try sweeping the brush at an angle as a opposed to coming in on top of the drum. You'll get a nice legatto sound.

Brush away the Ant: Imagine you're playing the brushes and suddenly you see an ant or other insect of your choice land on the head. How would you sweep it away w/ your left hand only using your wrist and not your forearm?
To do this you actually turn at the wrist and the back of the hand goes back and forth. You have to be relaxed to play this properly.

Fills w/ the bass drum. LIsten to Specs Wright and how beautifully he incorporates bass drum hits into his brush fills.

RELAX! RELAX! RELAX! I can't stress this enough. Good brush playing, and good drumming in general, is all about relaxation.

orangemi
December 30th, 2005, 05:37 PM
Picked up his brush DVD last week, great basic stuff and a good place to begin.

Seb
January 1st, 2006, 10:42 AM
Thigpen's book is fantastic. Sure it's great to really see him do it.

His left hand movement swings: Just going left to rightbetween beat one and two , and back on the next beat.
Tapping the left on off-beats and continueing with a swish really makes for a great shuffle beat. Think Nina Simone's "My Baby just cares for me". That feel - I'm not sure if it sounds exactly the same; the original drum pattern probably isn't a shuffle

Another nice left hand thing is imitating the hi-hat chick on 2 and 4 by accelarating the swish movement with the fingers( trad. grip).
The arm moves clockwise, the brush at "12 o'clock" on 2 and 4. Here you add the chick, with a kind of finger-snapping movement, sideways.

Matt
January 3rd, 2006, 09:33 PM
I once mentioned before how Adam Nussbaum told me that likes to copy the movement of ice skaters and snakes with his brushes. He also likes to have continuity in his sound. He didn't tell me much else, but to discover new patterns on my own.

moosryan
January 3rd, 2006, 09:43 PM
Can you explain the philly joe and/or the elvin a lilttle better? I didn't quite catch those