Agop Turk

[logdrum]

I just got a 20 inch turk from Tony at http://www.cymalsonly.com. It weighs 2145 g.

It has a nice shimmer, a dry stick sound but not too dry, a trashy low roar and a complex midrange. You can get a lot of sounds even from the same latitude. Way better than a sabian fierce or encore ride. It has a good volume as well. Here is a sound file: http://cymbalsonly.com/sound%20files/co27b/20_tj_2145_p.mp3

The feel is what I ike the most and that equates to it being controllable. The sustain is longer than I expected but not too bad. The bell stands out than most Turks that's why I got it. It was really hard to decide between this and the 21 2060 and 2070 that Tony recommended. Now I know that you have to pump the volume to get a realistic feeling how the pie would really sound.

It is my first week but it took me a month to decide on a turk and 2 weeks on the weight and size that would work. I know turks are not for everyone but I am just needing a Vezir crash ride and I asked Tony to give me a call for the first one that arives. I think Vezirs and Turks are good together.

I will try this out on a gig and let you know how it works.

BTW I have sultan hi-hats, I sold my Sultan ride and got a newer K on the thin side and have flat top K as well. I do like the Turk hats but I think the sultan is more versatile.

[adamg]

I've been curious about those thinner Turks. If you've got a buddy you trust who could sit in on your gig so you could hear the cymbal from the audience perspective, I'd be curious as to your impressions.

[logdrum]

Man -- these thin turks are the way to go (for me any way). I wish I went even thinner and I will. There are so many tone zones on this pie. They have a shimmer and the fundamental tone is low but then you have all these complex midrange tones. Meanwhile the low roar wash provides a soft cushion. I tried it on the acoustic rehearsal last night - harp/vibes, tenor guitar, flute, cello. Usually those guys don't like the sticks but they did last night. There is enought shimmer for this groups but the earthy tones was a welcome addition to the sound. This group is so particular about tone and pitch that I actually retune my toms or take a couple more to fit some songs, since they don't have a bass player. I also take all the mufflers off the EMAD batter head -- Nice thing about the turk is that it has 2 - 3 fundamentals depending where you strike it and complements the BD very well. Also very stick friendly (your stick changes become apparent)

Tonight I'll be jamming as a horn player with some free jazz folks so there it will be played by a full time drummer and I will be bringing it along. My friend usually likes his Paiste trads for this sessions, but I sent him the sound file and he is excited to try it out. We will record it also!

[ChrisAdams]

Hi logdrum,

I have an 18" Vezir crash/ride I would like to sell. It's the only one on Tony's site. 1457 grams and it says sold. I bought a 20" SE and I'm using it on the left now. The Vezir has very little time on it and just a few stick marks. I'll sell for $130 shipped. You can PM me or email massagevermont@yahoo.com if you're interested.

Thanks,
Chris

[logdrum]

It's almost 2 months and this pie has started to settle. I am playing it everyday and for the last 2 weeks of December when I was off I noticed that it started to be trashier -- finally it is drying up again. I have brought it to a gig where I was not the drummer.

If you thought that Jack de Johnette's Turks where dry and wish just a bit more wash, then this one is it. It pairs nicely with my 18 Sabian dou crash ride and a 15 Paiste crash and/or Zildjian A 10 splash.

From an audience perspective:
IT is really different when it is miced and when it not miced or miced with hi overheads. With far overheads or unmiced you get that Paiste Traditional kind of sound but with a smokiness in it. When miced closer it can get overbearing for acoustic stuff as expected but actually worked as a funk ride with an electric guitar and small horn section.

I've also paired it with another roary /crashable K- ride -- but both are not as thin as I want so my crashes can be overbearing for quite stuff --- the best combo might be a thin Vezir or maybe I should thin out the Sabian Duo a bit. A larger thin Agop signature or the new Zildjian Dry Complex will work as well. It worked well with a Zildjian Custom Dry that I bought home to try but that was only about 30 minutes of playing and I did not hear the turk and the Zildjian played together. I think I have to go with one of Tony's vezirs or Signature Thin rides to get the best complimentary sound.

I am happy with this ride and although I still have G.A.S for better pies, I am commited to work with it for the rest of the year. During it's wild wash phase I did get disappointed and wanted to changed it but when I heard this was usual for new Istanbuls -- I waited.